The teenager who stabbed Ava White mentioned he thought she was a boy who may need a weapon and “jump” him
Ava, 12, was knifed within the neck after an argument in Liverpool metropolis centre. A 14-year-old boy denies her homicide and manslaughter. Boy A, from South Liverpool, who can’t be named for authorized causes, accepts stabbing Ava. Today he instructed a jury he thought she was going to “batter” him
Liverpool Crown Court has heard he ran away after the stabbing, in School Lane, at round 8.35pm on November 25 final 12 months. This morning he gave proof below questioning by his lawyer, Nick Johnson, QC.
Boy A mentioned he was strolling by means of city with three buddies, Boys B, C and D. They got here throughout a good friend of Ava’s, Boy J, in Richmond Street who was “swaying” and appeared “quite drunk”. He mentioned they noticed Ava and others “messing around”, with Ava mendacity on the bottom, and he filmed it and put it on his non-public Snapchat story.
Boy A mentioned Ava pointed at him and instructed him to delete the video, earlier than she “ran back and went and got all her other mates and then they call came up”. He mentioned “they were all just being like cheeky”.
He mentioned Ava requested his good friend Boy C whether or not they had movies, earlier than he heard one among two masked boys say to Boy C: “Delete the f***ing video now or I’m gonna stab you.” He added: “That’s when I tried to pull him [Boy C] away.”
Boy A mentioned he did not see a knife however he was “backing off” and Ava obtained “in me face” saying “delete the video”. He mentioned Ava turned to a good friend and mentioned: “Shall we just jump him now cos I feel like it.”
Boy A mentioned he tried to get Boy B to come back with him as a result of he was “scared” they had been going to “jump” him. He mentioned he thought “angry” Ava was a boy and when she was “in me face” he might odor vodka. He mentioned two of her buddies had been “following her” and he instructed Boy B “come on let’s go”. He added: “She was in my face like she was going to batter me.
In Tarleton Street, he said Ava was saying “you gang of mings” and Boy C said “nicely have a look at youse”. He said Ava said “delete the f***ing video now”. Boy A said he didn’t want an argument and was walking backwards because “I did not need her to only run up behind me and hit me”. He added Boy C said he had been threatened with a “huge knife”
He said Ava’s group kept following them to Church Street, he deleted the video on his Snapchat, and he saw Ava lying on the ground again. He said “they jumped up and began chasing us” and were saying “get right here now”. Once in School Lane, he said: “I believe Ava mentioned my title and I seemed, she was coming in direction of me. She was like ‘delete the f***ing video now lad’ and I used to be like ‘get out of my face lad’.
“She grabbed me there, and I ran backwards. I think I got the knife out then and I kept running backwards, she put her arm out and I put my arm out at the same time, I was just trying to get her away because I was scared.”
Mr Johnson mentioned: “What was going through your head as to what might happen?” Boy A replied: “I didn’t know if she was in possession of a weapon or anything, or any of her mates, so I was just scared and frightened. Three of her mates were running at me while she was running at me.”
He mentioned he nonetheless thought she was a boy at that stage and did not know who else was in her group. He mentioned he was concentrating on Ava and her two buddies. Asked why he did not run away forwards somewhat than backwards, he mentioned it was “weird” and occurred shortly.
Boy A mentioned he had the knife in his proper pocket. Asked why he obtained it out, he replied: “Because I was frightened and I was trying to like get away – I promise I didn’t mean to hit her.”
Mr Johnson requested what he was pondering he was going to do with the knife. Boy A mentioned: “Like frighten her away to be honest so she didn’t just come for me because I was scared her and her mates were going to jump me.” He added that he did not intend to trigger any damage to Ava.
The QC mentioned: “What did you think was going to happen to you if Ava or anyone else got their hands on you?” Boy A answered: “Get battered probably.”
Boy A mentioned he ran away as a result of he was nonetheless frightened he is likely to be jumped and at that stage he did not suppose he had damage Ava. He mentioned he ditched his black bubble coat as a result of he was scared somebody would possibly establish him.
He mentioned he went to Boy C’s flat to “chill” and play a online game earlier than his mum rang him and put police on the cellphone, who requested him to come back dwelling. He mentioned texts he despatched his mum had been to make her suppose “I didn’t do it and to tell the police”, as a result of he was terrified of going to jail.
Asked why he removed his cellphone, Boy A mentioned: “Because they always take my phone. I’ve had a few phones took when I was in the police station.”
Boy A mentioned he lied to police in interviews that he was at Boy C’s flat from 5pm to 10pm “because I thought i was going to get away with it and I was scared that I was going to go to jail”. He mentioned he recommended one other boy was accountable as a result of that boy had additionally been carrying a bubble coat and “I thought I would have like got away with it”.
On March 16, Boy A had his solicitors inform police the place he had ditched the knife. He mentioned this was “because I’m telling the truth and I didn’t mean to do it – because I wanted to tell the truth”.
Mr Johnson mentioned: “Did you intend to stab Ava in the neck?” “No, I promise you,” Boy A replied.
The QC mentioned: “Did you intend to stab her anywhere?” Boy A mentioned: “No. I just wanted to get away.”
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